This is not a good situation.
The person would act like a complete lunatic.
This used to be a funeral home.
That's interesting.
The dead people said, "We claimed him."
I don't like being here, period.
I'm seeing, like, a dead girl in here.
I think that this place does something bad to people.
This seems like a possession.
My name is Amy Allan.
Everything was built on blood.
I see dead people.
Very disturbing.
I speak to dead people.
There's victims around him. Ow.
And they speak to me.
Her voice sounds like death.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
The living don't stand a chance here.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
You could have got killed.
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
This is coming straight from Hell.
It's my job to reveal them.
Your mom was murdered right here in this room?
Yes, she was.
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
...until the very end...
This was just the beginning.
...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
Oh, my God.
...or time to get out.
They're very bad.
This house is going to kill me.
I'm up here in the city of Chicago.
I got called in by a guy named Chris,
who runs a tattoo parlor.
Now, he says things are bad because employees,
who are not scared of anything, are scared to be there alone.
But he said the real reason he called us in
is a promise he made to his best friend.
And if we can't help him,
he's not gonna be able to keep that promise.
Before Amy arrives, I sweep the location,
looking for any leading information.
I'm going to cover up and hide anything
that would lead Amy to figure out
this is a tattoo parlor.
When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.
A little nervous about this one
'cause a man stepped forward.
And he's -- I believe he's an issue here.
He said, uh, "Twist and turns.
Would hate for anyone to learn the truth of the matter here."
This is not a good situation.
Yeah. It -- Oh, man.
It hurts a lot.
Ooh, lordy, that hurts.
So, Chris, I could tell just looking at you.
It's got to be hard for somebody like yourself
to even reach out for help.
What's going on here?
When I've got my artists coming up to me,
telling me that they're seeing shadow figures at night,
girls screaming from the basement,
things are falling off the walls,
I've got an issue.
I don't want somebody getting hurt.
It hasn't happened yet.
But I'm not willing to take that chance.
Chris, let's get some of the basics out of the way.
How long have you owned this place?
-10 years now. - Okay.
And it's a pretty big building.
You have the whole building yourself?
Yes. It's, uh, 1,400 square feet per floor.
We have a basement,
the shop and then the apartment upstairs.
What about history of this location?
Do you have any idea what's going on?
Well, basically, this used to be a funeral home.
Oh, that's interesting. So, Chris, normally,
I would tell clients, why don't you just leave?
But you had mentioned on the phone
something about a promise.
Yeah. We can't leave.
Myself and my two partners
that run the shop, we made a promise.
Our best friend, Richie, used to run this tattoo parlor.
And he passed away.
I know it's hard to talk about.
But what can you tell me about Richie's death?
Um, he passed away upstairs.
He was 37 years old.
And he passed away in his sleep.
Okay. Uh, now, I got to ask,
was it a drug overdose?
No. Not at all.
He was in good health, no drugs, no nothing.
Uh, the autopsy report said minor heart attack.
So can you tell me what kind of guy he was?
Heavily tattooed, very outspoken, charismatic.
Everywhere he went, he made friends.
You know, yes. He was a big guy,
to some people, very intimidating.
But he had a heart of gold. When he passed away,
there was over 3,000 people at his wake alone.
- Wow. - He was the best.
And he still is. And he still is.
Now, what's the promise?
I promised his son and his wife
that we would run this business for them.
And when he turned 18,
we would offer it up to Richie's son.
Okay. So how old is he now?
He's 14.
- Getting close. - Yeah.
It is. And I just want to make sure
that I'm turning over a safe environment.
But I don't want to turn it over,
and then a month later, something bad happens.
And I can't explain.
Then what would it have been for
when everything we do here is for him?
That's incredible.
Richie would have done it for me.
So we never hesitated to do it for him.
Down here, there's a lot of lonely,
sad, depressed, lost people.
Can you tell anything about them in life?
They look like they're dressed up.
You know, I would probably say,
like, late 30s, early 40s, I would say.
Ooh, geez
I'm getting a male who had a heart attack back here.
This guy had a heart attack back here.
And the dead people from downstairs said,
"We claimed him."
They said, "We didn't kill him.
We just took him."
Basically, "'Cause we can't leave, he can't leave."
So, Chris, why'd you bring me here?
Because right up here
is where Richie had his worst experience.
What happened?
He was coming down out of his apartment.
And that's when he says that he's met
by an apparition named Walter.
They got into a verbal argument.
And Richie said that Walter
literally pushed him from behind,
down the stairs, all the way down.
His boot hits the ceiling there,
comes all the way down these metal steps
and landed right here.
And how bad did he get hurt?
Surprisingly, he just had some minor bruises,
no big deal.
I mean, it was a miracle of God that he didn't die.
This is not a good area.
So there's a guy.
It just seems bad to me.
Like, I don't want to go in that area
'cause he's in that area.
And he's, like, pacing.
He's very upset.
He keeps flashing between, like, being 70 and,
like, being, like, 30.
Uh, I did see him, like, caressing people.
Anyone in particular?
Uh, women, definitely women.
The males here are being harmed.
I feel like it's a lot more physical.
I don't know what he's doing with the men.
He could be, like, just assaulting them,
like, torturing them.
Now, you talked about Richie's experiences.
But what about you?
Right behind you, at my station,
I have a mask that hung right above my, uh, desk.
And it kept falling down, over and over.
Fell down once. Hit me in the head.
Fell down a second time. Broke the keyboard.
And there's no problem with the wall
being sloped or anything like that.
You don't think that's the case?
No, 'cause nothing else has ever fallen.
All right. So what do you think caused that?
I think it's some sort of spirit,
some sort of apparition that --
that likes to torment.
All right. Well, that's interesting.
Uh, anything else going on?
Um, the other night, I was in here doing some work
and started feeling like something was watching me,
like something was standing behind me.
So I just, you know, turned around, looked, nothing.
Have you had that feeling before?
Yes, I have.
And so have a bunch of my other artists.
So another five minutes goes by.
And I'm still feeling that feeling
in the pit of my stomach like something's not right.
Went out the front door.
Locked up shop and said good night
to Richie like I always do.
You think Richie's here in spirit?
Yes.
I believe he's watching over all of us.
Totally, like, got the air sucked out of me.
Whoa.
This is not a good area.
I think that the living would feel like they're being watched.
What is this?
It's icky. It is icky.
I keep seeing the old man, old-slash-young man.
Like, he's always watching.
But this is something different.
Like, this is something that's even darker than him.
Oh, it's, like, some kind of weird cat thing.
This is, like, bad. It's bad.
I think the living would hear the scratching.
And I think that the living are hearing,
uh, screaming and growls.
I don't like it.
So, Nick, I understand you and Chris are partners
in the business downstairs. - Yes.
Um, it -- did I hear right,
that you lived up here at some point?
Yeah, for 61/2 years.
I understand you were good friends with Richie.
Yeah. He made an impact
on everybody's life that he touched.
This was our home.
And this was a lot of people's home.
Is it strange being back here? You feeling anything?
I don't like being here just period.
So would you say the reason for that
is because of the paranormal stuff
or what happened with Richie?
I think both.
But you still continue to do it, though.
Our word is our word. We have to do it.
Rich was a good guy.
And, I -- I mean, without crying, I mean, I --
that's all I can say. - Mm-hmm.
I know he would've took care of my children.
When you were living here, did you ever feel ill or any --
have any complications, medically?
Yeah. I went to the doctor.
And, uh, he did an EKG, this and that.
And, uh, you know, I had, like, a small heart attack
that I didn't even know about. - You're kidding.
I didn't realize I had a heart attack.
How old were you at the time? Do you remember?
I was 49.
I'm feeling 10 times better that I'm not living here.
Okay. So as far as experiences go,
have you had any? - Yeah.
I was actually sleeping in the room right here.
And this door was just closing back and forth, slamming.
Could it have been wind?
Uh, personally, I don't think so.
This is a pretty heavy door.
Okay, Nick. Anything else?
I would see shadows
when I was in either my bedroom or in the backroom.
I mean, with all the windows and lights
going through here, could it have been coming
from the outside by any chance?
Uh, no. No.
Did Richie ever tell you
he had paranormal experiences here?
Yes.
He would sit down and tell you, "Listen.
I'm not crazy. I know there's something here."
The thing about that cat thing
is that I think it was human.
So why are you calling this thing a -- a cat?
Because the way that it sounds
and the scratching noises that it makes.
Do you know if they see him?
- Oh, yeah. - What do they see?
More than likely, like, a little black, shadowy blob.
What kind of effect do you think it would have
on the living that have spent a lot of time here?
He influences them to act out.
A person would act like a complete lunatic.
He's a bad
He wants bad stuff to go down.
So, Neal, I understand you work as a tattoo artist here.
- Yes. That's right. - Okay.
So how long have you worked here?
About 4 years now.
Why'd you take me down to the basement?
What's the story?
Most, uh, sightings generally happen down here.
With the stuff that's going on here with the experiences,
have you had any?
Yes. I've had many.
Okay. Tell me about some of 'em.
You can hear, uh, banging.
And it sounds like someone's walking around down here
in the middle of the night, when you're upstairs,
so...
You guys have problems with rodents or anything like that?
No. This really sounds like someone
is punching the ceiling
of the basement underneath your feet.
Okay. Anything else?
Real late at night, when I'm walking up,
standing in the doorway is a shadow of a man.
And you can see it very clearly.
Uh, it also feels like it's looking at you as well.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's black.
It's more, uh, just a void.
Uh, it'll make your stomach turn.
All right. So what else is going on?
Multiple people have, uh,
claimed that they feel they've been, um,
groped or pushed down here.
You can feel it on your shoulders
the further you go into the basement.
It's, uh, kind of like someone's, uh,
pressing your shoulders down.
Keeping in mind that over 1,000 corpses
have been in and out of this place,
uh, if anywhere is haunted, it's this basement.
I'm seeing, like, like, a group of dead people.
They're upset, and they're crying.
And, uh, uh, they can't get out.
They're confused. I also think the living,
they would see these dead people.
And I think they would see 'em walking in
and out of the walls here.
And I think that people would feel them,
like, bumping into them.
I'm worried about, uh, living people
being, uh, here too much
and exposed too much, uh, because these are all, like,
really depressed people and
So it -- it causes, like, suicidal
I think that this place does something bad to people.
Chris seemed pretty sure his tattoo shop
used to be a funeral parlor.
And it turns out he's right.
I've managed to track down a guy who worked there.
And he says the business was in his family
for nearly 80 years
and that they went through some really
heartbreaking times there.
When did your family open the funeral parlor
that my client's, uh, working in now?
My grandfather, Johnny, moved into that building in 1922
and then operated it as a funeral home until 2001.
Uh, this would be a picture of it going back
to probably the '30s.
So, Mike, what can you tell me about your grandfather?
My grandfather, Johnny, was a very artistic man,
was a painter.
But he was a -- a tough man, too, very headstrong.
You did it his way because his way was the right way.
Now, Mike, you mentioned on the phone that, uh, your family
suffered some tragedy. - Yes.
Uh, my family had three people
that passed away very young.
The first one would've been my Grandma Anna,
uh, passed away at, I believe, 45, when it was 1938.
She had suffered a acute thyroid condition
that then inflamed her heart.
And she was dead within matter of a week.
Now, did she die in the building?
Yes. She did, upstairs in the apartment.
Okay. So that's one.
Who was the second?
The second was my father.
Uh, he had suffered two heart attacks.
And his third heart attack proved to be fatal.
He actually died in the bathroom
of the funeral home, upstairs in the apartment.
- And how old was he? -41.
I have a photo of him here
with my mother and my oldest brother.
And the last death in the family
that was way too young was my brother, David.
- Ah, you're kidding. - Uh, he passed away at 28.
Uh, but again, of a heart condition.
What about your grandfather in all this?
Um, my grandfather, until the early '70s,
was still active in the funeral business,
at which point, old age was setting in.
Uh, and in '75,
they put him in a nursing home.
And within 2 months, he passed.
Geez. Okay.
So how old was he at the time of his death?
Do we know? -86.
I'm seeing the old-young man again.
I think he was probably in his 70s when he died.
I want to say he died, like, in the '80s or '90s.
So what he's showing me probably, like,
from the 1940s or '50s.
The old-young man, I think, lived here at one point in time.
I guess he had a family. I'm seeing, like,
a dark, uh, space, uh, like black walls.
And he's doing stuff to women.
And I don't know if it's okay or not.
It just seems bad to me.
So, Mike, give me the idea of how it was set up.
Uh, I know that you guys lived there as well, right?
The residences were upstairs.
Uh, the first floor would've been strictly geared
for the funeral business,
whether it be for the wake, uh, the funeral ceremony.
There's rooms set aside
that are strictly for embalming.
Can you even put a number on the amount
of bodies that were embalmed and --
and -- and viewed there?
It has to be in the thousands.
So, Mike, I want to thank you for sharing this with me.
I mean, this is really personal stuff. And I --
I appreciate you taking the time to do that.
There, uh, might be one thing you would want to look into.
In the '80s, there was a gentleman
who was attending his brother's wake,
uh, that suffered a heart attack in the funeral home.
And I don't know if he survived or not.
This investigation keeps getting stranger and stranger.
I'm on my way to meet the woman whose brother-in-law
had that heart attack right
in the middle of her husband's wake.
She's agreed to tell me exactly what happened.
So, Virginia, I appreciate
you taking the time to talk with me.
Um, I know it's been a long time.
But I want to extend my condolences
on your husband's passing.
Thank you.
Um, your husband's name was Edwin, correct?
Right. Okay. What can you tell me about him?
Well, he was a -- a very outgoing person.
He liked -- loved people.
He loved parties.
Virginia, when did you guys wind up getting married?
We had gotten married in, uh, May of 1961.
- Okay. - And when we got married,
we moved, uh, next door to the funeral home.
How long did you guys live there?
30 years. We lived there for 30 years.
So were you living there
at the time of, uh, Edwin's death?
- Yes. - You were?
Yes, yes.
So, Virginia, if it's okay with you,
how -- how did Edwin pass?
It was the day before Mother's Day.
He had a heart attack. - Okay.
How old was he? - He was 54.
Okay. So he was young.
Yes. Very young.
Very shocking.
We were gonna celebrate 25 years.
And, uh, the invitations were out.
- Okay. - And so it shocked everybody
because everybody had an invitation
to come to our anniversary party.
And they wound up coming to a wake.
Mm-hmm.
I know his brother had a heart attack at the wake.
What can you tell me about him?
Here's a picture of Walter.
Walter was sort of a quiet guy.
But he was a very good husband
and a very, uh, hard worker.
So what happened to him?
Walter came to the wake like everybody else.
There were hundreds of people there.
And so it was very crowded.
And then, uh, he -- he had a heart attack.
This is Walter's death certificate.
So according to this, he was 63 at the time he died.
Right. Right.
That's a shame. I'm sorry to hear that.
Yeah. So a guy died from a heart attack.
Apparently, he's shoved somewhere where they keep them.
Where is he?
He's in the special place.
Okay.
I think they've gotten a little demented,
um, and angry.
The old-young man and the cat thing
are keeping the dead people
in the basement trapped.
Dead people, uh, are now collecting,
um, newly deceased individual's souls.
Any idea why they are doing that?
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So far, I've got at least four people
who died of a heart attack in the building,
all of them young.
Plus, the place used to be a funeral home.
So thousands of bodies came through.
This place has seen a lot of death.
But I want to see if there's anything else.
Searching for old records, I find Anne Noble,
the original property owner's wife.
Turns out, Anne died under mysterious circumstances,
either from a murder or a suicide.
I'm heading over to meet with a local genealogist
who says justice, in this case,
may have never been served.
Jeanne, I appreciate you helping me out
with this case.
Before we get to the suspicious death of this woman,
what were you able to find out about the family?
Major Noble was 22
when he immigrated to the United States from England.
He's in the Chicago area in the early 1840s
with his wife, Anne, and two children.
Okay. So when does he acquire my client's property?
In 1843, he acquires 160 acres of land.
It's primarily prairie land that hasn't been cultivated.
And he's a farmer.
He also operated a tavern on that land.
Okay. So, Jeanne,
take me through what happened with Anne.
What were the circumstances?
Well, in 1845,
she was found dead in her bed, uh,
with a long cotton cloth tied
around her neck. - Okay.
So what'd they say happened to her?
Well, they held a coroner's inquest.
But they actually failed to make a decision.
What they said was that it was death by strangulation
either at her own hand
or at the hand of an unknown person.
All right. So they're basically
saying she was either murdered
or she committed suicide. What about the husband?
They ever question him? - No.
I don't think it's a suicide 'cause, in my experience,
I've never seen anybody strangle themselves to death,
you know, laying down in a bed.
So I'm leaning 90% homicide,
10% suicide that was covered up.
And whether the husband did it or not, I'm not sure.
I'm curious what your thoughts are.
That's really difficult to say.
This was a tavern.
So you had people that you didn't know
coming through the household. - All right.
So it -- it's basically all speculation.
But anything's possible. And it's still an open case.
It's still a mystery.
Okay.
I don't like this.
I'm seeing, like, a dead girl in here.
And she seems to be trapped in this room.
She's in her 20s.
I don't know if she killed herself
or if somebody killed her.
She does say that she didn't want to live anymore,
that everything was too hard.
But her heart goes. Her heart goes.
I'm gonna say she -- she, uh, killed herself.
She said, "Well, I don't go out there because,
have you seen it? It's terrifying."
And that's in reference to the dead people
being trapped here. - Okay.
She doesn't want to get put down in there.
I encountered several disturbing things on my walk.
But the group of dead people
in the basement surrounding a man
who had a heart attack had me the most concerned.
Up towards the entrance, there was a fuzzy mass.
And it's really dark.
And there's a group of dead people
that are standing at the bottom of the stairs.
They really want to leave.
And they feel trapped.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
Amy, you probably didn't realize it during your walk.
But, obviously, this is a tattoo parlor.
This is Neal. He works here.
And this is Chris, who owns the place.
Activity's bad.
And they're worried for everybody's safety.
But that's not the real reason we were called in.
We're really here because Chris had made
a promise to his best friend.
And I'll leave it at that for now
until I know a little bit more about your walk.
I was upstairs. And I went into the bigger room.
And I saw this black mass.
And it was kind of fuzzy.
This thing is not good.
It -- it definitely affects the living
in a very negative way.
The biggest thing that I got is that you would feel
like you were being watched by this thing
because it's always around.
And I think, all around the place,
you would hear, like, scratching noises,
um, a strange growl, like,
as if it was coming from a cat, though, you know.
But it's not a cat.
I was able to figure out,
towards the end of my walk, that this entity was,
in fact, human at one point
and would have been on the premises pre-1940s
and was a bad man.
Well, feeling watched, you and I talked about.
Yeah. The other night,
I had some stuff to do.
And I felt like something was staring at me from behind.
- Mm-hmm. - So I turned around, looked.
Nobody there.
I can attest to that.
I will stay late sometimes.
And you can feel someone looking at you.
And you turn around.
And sure enough, nothing's there.
Neal, you talked to me about hearing strange noises.
Right? - Uh, yeah.
I'll be sitting there, tattooing someone.
And it sounds like someone's
punching the floor underneath my feet.
And I've gone down there. There's nothing there.
I've had customers even ask me,
"What's that noise?"
And then, uh, basically, we just tell 'em,
"It's, uh, it's the ghost."
So what else?
So then I went down to the basement.
And what I encountered was a lot of dead people.
And they are very sad, very depressed and angry.
And I got different time periods with them, uh,
because of their clothing.
This is, like, '20s, '30s, '40s.
Right.
And they were all dressed very well.
I have a pretty good idea what you saw, uh, down there.
From 1922 to 2001, uh, the building was a funeral home.
- Ooh. - It was a family-run business,
uh, started by a guy named John Klemundt.
I actually spoke to a family member
who worked here for 25 years.
And he gave me this picture
of when it was a funeral parlor.
And they lived in the apartment upstairs.
He told me thousands of bodies came through here.
Yeah. They would embalm the bodies here.
Uh, and they held the wakes and the funerals
right here at least almost every single day,
which is maybe when you saw dead people all dressed up.
Interesting.
Now, the dead people,
do they do anything to the living?
Yeah.
If the living were to spend
a lot of time downstairs,
the living would feel that depression
and possibly suicidal.
I think that the living would see these people as,
like, black shadow figures.
And I think because they're so physical that
if the living were down there,
I actually think that people would feel
like they were being bumped into.
If you go down there, you feel, uh, pressure on your shoulders.
And it kind of envelopes you.
And it's pretty uncomfortable.
- Oh - Yeah.
Everybody runs up those stairs.
And you guys don't look like you scare easy.
Nah. I don't scare easy at all.
But a shadow figure,
I've seen it a couple times here and there.
But Neal sees it on a daily basis.
I see it at least four times a week.
It's a void.
I wouldn't even call it black. It's empty.
So the thing about the people downstairs
is that they feel trapped.
Their attitude has become,
"If we're stuck here, y'all are gonna be, too."
So anybody who would die here
now would become trapped by them.
The other thing I got, I was walking up
to the top of those stairs.
And there was, uh, a male who came in really quickly.
And he had a heart attack.
And he died.
And he is their first,
like, victim as far as being trapped.
So they're holding him here
just like they've been held here.
And so I had a sketch done of what I saw.
Any idea when this guy had a heart attack?
In the last 20-- 20 years, I guess.
So these dressed-up people are the dead in the basement?
Yes.
And they've taken this guy who had a heart attack?
Yes.
I don't think I'll be looking at the stairs the same again.
Never again.
Well, obviously, we -- we need to talk about Richie.
- Yes. - Um, now,
that's Chris' best friend I was telling you about,
who he made a promise to.
This is a photo of Richie right here.
He was a very charismatic guy.
He was always very open, very gracious.
If he could do something for you,
you never even had to ask.
He would just do it for you.
Do me a favor and take Amy through Richie's death.
Richie was celebrating his 37th birthday.
He used to live upstairs.
He went to sleep, did not wake up.
He had a mild heart attack.
He just passed away in his sleep.
Now, do me a favor and tell her about that promise you made.
When he passed away, his son was 4 years old.
- Oh, man. - We made a promise to his son
and to his son's mother that we would reopen this shop.
And in any way, we would help.
Here's a picture of Odin, Richie's son.
He's, what, about 14?
- Yes. He just turned 14. - He's a good kid.
Now, the thing is, when he turns 18,
Chris is ready to turn it over.
But with what's going on here,
he don't know if he could do that.
And that's the reason we're here.
So for the last 10 years, that's why we've been here.
That's why this place means so much to us
'cause this was Richie's.
This was our home.
Now, is this Richie?
Well, more than likely.
That just kind of puts a little pit in --
in my stomach. - Yeah.
Now, you mentioned that these people claim
anyone who dies here, right?
- Yes. - I got to tell you,
I've never seen so many people die young in one building.
The Klemundts, the family who owned the funeral parlor,
they lost three family members here under the age of 50.
The first was Anna Klemundt, the wife of John,
the guy who originally bought the place
and opened it up as a funeral parlor.
She died in 1938 of a heart attack.
Uh, she's about 45 years old.
The next death was her and John's son, Richard,
who died after his third heart attack
in the upstairs bathroom in 1963.
- Mm. - He was 41 when he died.
Now, there's a third one who was John's grandson,
David, who died of a heart attack in 1984.
So that's another heart attack?
- Right. - Mm.
Um, he was only 28.
Now, it gets worse.
In 1986, they were holding a funeral
for a dead guy named Edwin Cudecki.
He died from, of course, a heart attack.
Edwin's brother, Walter...
Edwin's brother, Walter?
...came here to do visitation
with his brother at the wake
and had a heart attack right here.
I hope you're ready for this. Okay.
One day, Richie came down to the front steps...
- Mm-hmm. - ...got into an argument
with an apparition.
The apparition tells him, "My name's Walter.
What are you doing here?"
Richie gets pushed, goes head over heels
down those 15 to 20 metal steps.
- Yeah. - Oh, my God.
- And he landed on the ending. - Now, tell me the truth.
Did you know about this guy, Walter?
- No. - You didn't?
No. I -- I had no idea.
But as for the rest of all these heart attacks
and this guy, Walter, that died of a heart --
heart attack, heart attack, heart attack, heart attack...
I'm really worried about you guys.
So the person that I'm most concerned about
is a nasty, old man that I encountered.
The way I think he would affect the living,
uh, would be,
uh, women might feel
like they're being caressed.
Not a nice caressed. A sexually aggressive.
- Kind of like a grope? - Yeah.
He sees men as a threat.
I saw him trying to cause
physical pain to men, in particular.
So this guy that you're worried about,
you think he's the one that might have shoved
Richie down the stairs?
Oh, yeah. I could see that.
You get anything about this guy while he was alive?
I thought that he lived here at one time.
He kept showing himself at the age of, like,
30 and then at the age of, like, 70.
I think that he died recently,
like, in the '80s or '90s.
The things that I saw him doing,
uh, when he was younger and alive,
uh, to women, like, I actually was, like,
"Is this consensual or not?"
Now, it's probably not the guy you're -- you're talking about.
But the only one that fits
the time frame is the original guy
that owned this place, John Klemundt.
Now, this guy didn't die in the '80s or '90s.
He -- he died in 1975.
But he was 86 at the time.
I actually got a photo of him.
The only thing he did to women was embalm them.
Let me ask you a question.
Is it possible you could have misinterpreted, uh,
embalming somebody as doing something nasty to women?
It could be. That makes sense.
Okay. So based on this picture,
any chance the guy you saw could be John Klemundt?
That's extremely likely.
The biggest concern is this guy
and the fuzzy thing.
They said that they were working together,
trapping the dead here, these other dead people.
And the dead people downstairs are becoming spiteful.
So now they are like,
"If we're trapped, y'all are gonna be trapped, too."
So Klemundt and this fuzzy thing are causing the heart attacks?
Correct.
For such a great, nice, caring, gentle giant
of a man to be stuck is horrible.
This is not a good place.
It's just gonna get worse and worse and worse.
One of y'all will probably have a heart attack,
which then means
you're putting his son into harm's way.
So that's not good.
Now, Chris, I know you're a stand-up guy.
And you brought us in here to do the right thing
by your best friend. I got to tell you,
They don't make guys like you anymore.
Thank you.
Now, to see if you can safely hand this place over to Odin,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
Here's the thing. Now, you love him.
And you love Richie. - Yes. Very much.
Right. And you're doing the right thing
by supporting him and his mom.
But you have to do more of the right thing.
Okay.
So you've got all these people who are trapped.
You've got this lunatic trapping them
and giving them heart attacks, which puts, you know,
all of you guys here at risk as well.
They need to be released
so everybody can be at peace and happy.
So here's what's gonna be done.
You're going to find a priest
who is going to do an exorcism.
You're gonna give him the keys to the place.
And you're gonna shut this place down for 72 hours.
You're not gonna know when this priest
is gonna come in here and do his thing.
When he does the exorcism,
he is going to banish this guy
and the black thing.
Once they're gone, these people are gonna be happy.
And they're going to take off.
Why do they need to shut down for 72 hours?
Because there's such a strong attachment
to Richie here with the people that love him,
one of the worries
is that can inadvertently trap him here.
We want it to be his decision,
once he's released from their grip,
his decision what he's going to do.
No living person with any feelings
towards Richie can be here.
It has to be just him.
Richie, I'm never gonna let go of.
He's -- he's in my heart.
You need to give him the option to leave.
He's never gonna be gone. You have a gift.
And you see things differently than --
than 99.9% of the world.
We all see things in our way.
Uh, the bottom line is Richie needs to get released.
And you need to let go.
I ultimately want what's best for my friend.
Yes. If that's what needs to be done,
then that's what needs to, uh, be done.
And then I'll get past my own personal,
mental and even emotional stuff on my own.
I understand how difficult it can be
to let go of a friend who has passed.
But I believe if Chris brings in a priest
to perform an exorcism,
the dead that are trapped will be set free.
And Chris can keep that promise he made
to the friend he loved so much.